The racing industry ‘big money’ involved, shame on those who placed their bets on the grand national, they contribute directly to this above.
Who is being blamed for something? I never said anything was anyone’s fault. Not once.
So if I conceive a child with a condition that takes all of my attention from other potential children who may need me, a child whose monopoly of our medical funds and insurance may lead those other children and myself to go without anything from good schooling to a house to clothing that fits or even without medical care ourselves, I should just go with it and allow that to happen? That’s not being a responsible adult. I once had a follower- I don’t know if her blog is still around but it was abortionmama.tumblr.com- who aborted a healthy pregnancy because she knew that it would destroy her family.
Sometimes, you have to put the needs of the people who already depend on you, or even your own needs, above the needs of a nonsentient nonperson.
Finally, Godwinning someone is kind of a cop out of an argument. And Godwinning me for a genetic disease my people carry that I do not want to pass down to my offspring, a disease we abort over 99% of those afflicted with, is even worse for pretty obvious reasons.
but you’re saying abort an innocent life because it would be a drain on other people?
just making sure I’m getting what you’re actually saying. don’t flip out and say I’m putting words in your mouth. is that what you’re meaning?
I’m saying abort a nonsentient nonperson because its existance will cause serious issues for sentient people. Because someone has the right to decide the course of their own life, and there are certain things certain people cannot handle. There is no question of innocent or guilt, as the nonsentient cannot have either trait.
Your argument about a disabled child destroying a family saddens my heart. No one knows what the future will bring, or how much joy that child could have/provide. You could easily spend more money sending a perfectly healthy child to university (or treating them for cancer) than treating the disabled child. Also, pregnancy isn’t a contract for parenting.
Everyone has value.
But that’s the point it keeps coming down to. Whether or not the person will be in pain, or cause pain for those around them.
If you could tell if someone would have a pain-filled life, and you could prevent that life before it was “sentient,” not talking about a specific illness or disability, just the pain - would you prevent that life?
Not at all. We’re not talking about pain- we’re talking about ability to live a life, and for those around them to live a life.
And even more important, at the end of the day we are talking about someone’s right to decide what happens to something inside of their own body. And that is no one’s business but the person whose uterus is in question.
But you just spend all this time arguing that if the child would be in pain, or the disability/other situation would cause too much pain for others, then an abortion would be justified.
So yes, it’s about pain.
So I’ll ask again - if you could know that someone’s life would be very to extremely painful, and you had influence over their nonsentient form, would you prevent their life?
I, personally, would only abort in a situation where I had conceived a disabled pregnancy because of my situation in life, which enables me to care for an unplanned child.
It is not about pain, because I support the right of any pregnant person to abort, no matter the health of the fetus. I believe it is justified because it is their body.
So don’t try to make this some form of discrimination against you- because firstly (and I don’t mean to play the Oppression Olympics) I can guarantee to you that I am dealing with a lot more in the way of disability than you, and secondly, that’s not what it is about. It is about people like you denying people like me the rights to our bodies.
Can a siamese twin kill their other twin? After all, it’s part of their body, they should be able to do what they want with it…
like you said.
Actually, there was a recent case in which doctors disconnected conjoined twins, killing one, to give the other a shot at a normal life.
And no, it isn’t “part of their body”, as there are (usually) two sentient beings involved.
This is going back to the original point of this post, but it is true that the “we’re not causing the fetus any pain or suffering” (which is only true up to a certain point of gestation) is not a valid defense of abortion.
There are many disabled individuals whose ability to understand life, death, and complex ethical dilemmas is impaired. There are people in comas, people born without the ability to feel physical pain; and for that matter, there are ways of killing someone that would involve them feeling no pain and having no recollection of the event (injecting them in their sleep for example).
There’s also the argument of development made (they are not fully developed humans), which also applies to a lot of disabled individuals.
None of these arguments are sufficient to deny that abortion can be eugenics.
(My argument has nothing to do with the issue of the life of the mother or any other area of the debate. I just don’t like the denial of eugenic practices in the abortion industry.)
LIKE WE HAVE LAWS PROTECTING DOGS AND CATS FROM ANIMAL ABUSE
YET WE SHAVE CHICKEN’S BEAKS OFF AND SLIT COWS THROATS
IT WOULDN’T BE LEGAL TO DO THAT TO A DOG/CAT
NO LOGIC HERE!!!
You CAN’T stop kids finding out about sex. You CAN at least make sure some of what they hear is sane and reasonable … And as for alternative sexuality in Dr Who - oh for goodness sake! There are kids watching out there, who already know they’re gay. Doesn’t it do them good to have a hero like a Captain Jack?
So apparently he’s pro-gay but anti-woman?
Honestly, I don’t think you’re a good parent if you know ahead of time that your kid is going to be born with disability after disability and deformity after deformity that’s going to require hours upon hours of surgery and pain for your kid, simply because it’s against your beliefs to get an abortion. It’s not fair. It’s cruel and selfish.
“Oh, but they could have a great life!”
No one knows for sure what the future is going to hold. Your child could be born healthy and develop several conditions a few years later. They could be born healthy and die in an accident. You could have a miscarriage. The child could be born healthy, or at least much healthier than what was anticipated. They could be born with an illness but one for which a cure is found during their lifetime.
On top of all that, there is nothing selfish about giving that child a chance in life, instead of assuming the worst and depriving everyone of any potential positive experiences they could have brought. Not only could they have a great life, you could have a better life because of them. Even if not, we don’t have the right to decide who lives and who doesn’t based on ability, race, gender, etc. It’s eugenics.
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